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Date: Mon, 30 May 94 13:43:00 PDT From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu> Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #594 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Mon, 30 May 94 Volume 94 : Issue 594 Today's Topics: "for ID" (long) 440 in So. Cal. (3 msgs) LOOKING FOR CLUB STATIONS (2 msgs) VPED ver 1.05 PHONE Pile-up Trainer has been released WPX CW 94 qsl info collection Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu> Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu> Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 May 94 14:16:23 EDT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!udel!pacs.sunbelt.net!DDEPEW%CHM.TEC.SC.US@network.ucsd.edu Subject: "for ID" (long) To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <2sd7pa$jjf@kaiwan.kaiwan.com>, topolski@kaiwan.com (Robb Topolski KJ6YT) writes: >Hi Joe, > >Amateur Radio is a fraternity of people with similar skills and >interests. Signals such as "QSY" and "73" can be compared to the secret >handshake that other fraternities enjoy. > >In the late 1970's, early 1980's, police departments -- in response to >prevailing opinions by the Associated Public-Safety Communications >Officers (APCO) organization -- began to prohibit 10-codes from their >radio channels because clear text was more understandable and efficient. >The concluded, quite correctly, that no-one was being fooled by the >police codes and there was no logical reason to use them. The transition >was short-lived, however, as the officers "in the trenches" liked the old >codes. They didn't disagree with any of the reasoning, they just liked >to use them. > >I think we're stuck with "73" and "QSY" for along time. I don't think >you'll find many people to disagree that there are more efficient ways of >communicating, but I don't think you'll find many people ready to switch >either. > >-- >____[ Robb Topolski ]___[ San Clemente, CA ]___[ topolski@kaiwan.com ]____ > Limited use of terms like QRM, QRP, etc., adds to the romance and tradition of ham radio since it recalls the origin of the hobby in CW. These codes are, of course, still vital in CW work. They can be overused on phone, but -- like so many things -- they are nice in moderation. 73! Dorr Depew N4QIX > ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 1994 18:19:05 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!news@network.ucsd.edu Subject: 440 in So. Cal. To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Jeffrey Herman (jherman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) wrote: | In article <vanwagCqLJB5.Myz@netcom.com> vanwag@netcom.com (George Van Wagner) writes: | >Sometimes I wonder why I have a dual band. | George: Why not do what hams used to do on 2, 1 1/4, and 3/4 meters before | repeaters: Simplex. Put your construction skills to use and build your- | self a beam antenna and have some fun. I don't know what it's like in other parts, but here in Utah there are only two simplex frequencies on 440... -- Ed Haymore | AA6EJ ed@byu.edu | Linux -- a better OS than DOS. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 19:20:34 GMT From: netcomsv!netcom.com!vanwag@decwrl.dec.com Subject: 440 in So. Cal. To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Michael P. Deignan (md@pstc3.pstc.brown.edu) wrote: : vanwag@netcom.com (George Van Wagner) writes: : > Of over 350 pairs listed in So.Cal. in last years ARRL Repeater Guide, : > there were only 32 open repeaters. What a waste of frequency. The only : > open repeater I have been able to find that I can reach is on 446.650. : > Sometimes I wonder why I have a dual band. : I realize this may be a novel concept, but have you actually ever bothered : to listen to some of these "closed" repeaters, find one which you like, : and write to the repeater trustee asking for information on how to join : the repeater? : Closed repeaters != cliques. Many machines are "closed" for members only. : Repeaters are expensive to put up and maintain - often several thousand : dollars per year. : Of course, I can understand where your objection comes from. Its that : welfare-state mentality creeping into the hobby again. "Whaddya mean : PAY for access to a repeater?!?!? I'm BREATHING, aren't I? Its my : right!" Material cut : MD : -- : -- Michael P. Deignan : -- Amalgamated Baby Seal Poachers Union, Local 101 : -- "Get 'The Club'... Endorsed by Baby Seal poachers everywhere..." I have never said that I have any objection to joining a repeater group. As a matter of fact, I belong to the KJ6TQ repeater at 446.650 that I mention above, both for the purpose of supporting a worthwhile effort and to have the autopatch and paging privileges. I have never had a problem with membership charges for expanded use priveleges on a repeater. The problem that I have is with co-ordinated pairs being used by a small group (5 or 6 people) to the exclusion of all others. There are also a large number of paper pairs here in So. Cal. where I have never heard any activity whatsoever. Unfortunately, since these pairs are "coordinated" they are not available to someone who may want to put up an open system. Oh well, I guess I still believe that old saw about the airwaves belonging to the people. ;-) George KE6EPC -- vanwag@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 19:54:39 GMT From: netcomsv!netcom.com!vanwag@decwrl.dec.com Subject: 440 in So. Cal. To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Jeffrey Herman (jherman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) wrote: : In article <vanwagCqLJB5.Myz@netcom.com> vanwag@netcom.com (George Van Wagner) writes: : >Sometimes I wonder why I have a dual band. : George: Why not do what hams used to do on 2, 1 1/4, and 3/4 meters before : repeaters: Simplex. Put your construction skills to use and build your- : self a beam antenna and have some fun. : You shouldn't be dependent upon someone else's radio (i.e. repeater) to : enjoy your own radio. : Jeff NH6IL Jeff, If I didn't live in a first floor apartment at the front of the building with no roof access, that's among the many projects I'd be working on. As it is, I have a dual band J-pole in the living room and am trying to figure out a way to rig up a 10 meter dipole in the apartment without appearing live and in color on channel 2 (no easy way to run a decent RF ground). Right now, my only 10 meter operation is mobile and I'm not a real whiz at using a straight key on the freeway :) George KE6EPC -- vanwag@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 19:38:49 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!relay.puug.pt!news.inesc.pt!animal.inescn.pt!ciup2.ncc.up.pt!news.ci.ua.pt!jluis@network.ucsd.edu Subject: LOOKING FOR CLUB STATIONS To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Jose Miguel Fonte (etjfonte@ci.ua.pt) wrote: : Hello , thanks for reading . : We are starting our own associatio(club) and it would be nice to : exchange information with other clubs (ideas,...) (...) : BTW our call is CT6ARU and we have been active on 40/15/10 mtrs. : Also on sat's RS10/RS12... (...) By the way, we also have a e-mail address. So, if u need anything, or if u r associated with any University club, just mail to ct6aru@ci.ua.pt (e-mail address of our Association) 73's and good QSO's JLuis, CT1EZW -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-Mail: jluis@ci.ua.pt Universidade de Aveiro Phone: +351-34-370200 Ext.2255 Centro de Informatica Campus de Santiago 3800 Aveiro - PORTUGAL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 16:40:17 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!relay.puug.pt!news.inesc.pt!animal.inescn.pt!ciup2.ncc.up.pt!news.ci.ua.pt!etjfonte@network.ucsd.edu Subject: LOOKING FOR CLUB STATIONS To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Hello , thanks for reading . Are there any hams who belong to Universities club stations ? We are starting our own associatio(club) and it would be nice to exchange information with other clubs (ideas,...) Maybe making skeds for QSO's and small nets... (Campus nets !!!!) BTW our call is CT6ARU and we have been active on 40/15/10 mtrs. Also on sat's RS10/RS12... If you want to schedule a QSO with us just email me. at etjfonte@zeus.ci.ua.pt Long live Amateur Radio ... 73's and GOOD DX'ing -- |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Jose' Miguel M.B.Fonte | Aveiro University - PORTUGAL - EUROPE | | Box 108 - 4801 Guimaraes - PT. | Electronics and Telecomunications Dept. | | E-mail : etjfonte@ci.ua.pt |---|-------------------------------------| | PACKET : CT1ENQ@CT1EDY.CTAV.PRT.EU | Ham:CT1ENQ - Univer.Club: CT6ARU | |------------------------------------|-------------------------------------| Vai-se de fracasso em fracasso ate' ao exito final. Charles F. Keitering ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 94 12:17:35 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.caren.net!news.join.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.iij.ad.jp!wincgw1!creamy!icspub!ee!qed!kitagawa@network.ucsd. Subject: VPED ver 1.05 PHONE Pile-up Trainer has been released To: info-hams@ucsd.edu VPED ver 1.05 voice pile-up trainter for IBM-PC + Sound Blaster has been released by JE3MAS MasIII Hiroyuki Kozu. This is a phone version of PED. Enjoy phone contests and DX-peditions in virtual world, and don't forget to call us in the real WW phone! *--- *- ***-- --** --- **** masa JH3PRR // Mt.RF JA3ZOH *--- **** ***-- *--* *-* *-* How to obtain VPED? ------------------- [FTP] You can always get the latest version of VPED by anonymous ftp from the primary archive site; hostname: qed.laser.ee.es.osaka-u.ac.jp IP address: 133.1.140.211 directory: /pub/radio/vped filename: vped105.zip (ver 1.05, for example) It will be also uploaded to the SimTel archive /pub/msdos/hamradio directory in a couple of weeks. [Mail] You can also get VPED by mail. Send mail To: ped-request@qed.laser.ee.es.osaka-u.ac.jp with body lines, get vped105.zip.uu1 get vped105.zip.uu2 get vped105.zip.uu3 to get vped105.zip.uu1 through vped105.zip.uu3 from which you can reproduce vped105.zip. See instructions given at the beginning of the first file. If you don't have UUDECODE or UNZIP, see the Appendix. How to exchange information about VPED? (PED Mailing List) ---------------------------------------------------------- Other useful commands you can mail to the above address include; help (help for available commands) index (index of available files) info (info about PED Mailing List, PED, and VPED) subscribe (subscribe to PED Mailing List) We have created the PED Mailing List for PED/VPED users to help each other, exchange information and share knowhow. You are welcome. The author is also subscribing to the list and communicating with the users, but he is NEVER OBLIGED TO SUPPORT users in any sense. The manuals probably need improvements. Your feedbacks are welcome. Send them to PED Mailing List <PED@QED.LASER.EE.ES.OSAKA-U.AC.JP>. VPED would be much real if you can use voices from nine different persons. The maintainer of PED archive is planning to make a common place to exchange your VD files. If you don't mind, please contribute your own VD file to the archive. The announce will be made when the place is ready. Stay tuned! Appendix: How to obtain UUDECODE and UNZIP? ------------------------------------------- If you get PED/VPED files by mail, you need UUDECODE. If you don't have it, you can get it by sending mail To: ped-request@qed.laser.ee.es.osaka-u.ac.jp with body lines, get uudecode.doc get uudecode.dbg Save UUDECODE.DBG on your DOS and feed it to DEBUG (which should be on almost all DOS) by typing DEBUG < UUDECODE.DBG This will make UUDECODE.COM in a minute. Just in case you don't have UNZIP, you can get it from the same place in the same manner with the body line, get unzip51x.zip.uu ------------------- Excerpt from VPED.TXT ----------------------------- >>>>>>>> Voice-Pileup trainer Vped.exe Ver 1.05i by JE3MAS <<<<<<<< Copyright(C) 1994 MasIII H.Kozu /* This is a free software. It can be freely distributed. */ *------------------------------------------------------------------* | This is a Voice-pileup trainer for IBM PC/AT and Sound Blaster(*)| | users. | | You can run an 8 station pileup as long as you like. | *------------------------------------------------------------------* | 1)Vped requires a fast IBM PC/AT. | (Auther's machine is 386SX 33MHz. I haven't checked how slow it can go.) | 2)Vped cannot run in the DOS window of MS-Windows(*). | 3)Vped cannot go along with the TSRs or device drivers which hook timer | interrupt(INT 8). | 4)Vped requires XMS driver.(HIMEM.SYS etc.) | 5)Vped requires at least 2004Kbytes of free protect memories. --------------- DETAILS OMITTED -------------- JE3MAS MasIII H.Kozu room 906,10-20,Chuo 3-chome, Joto-ku,Osaka,536 Japan (INTERNET:KHD00751@niftyserve.or.jp) ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 1994 09:44:27 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!news.dfn.de!server2.rz.uni-leipzig.de!news.uni-jena.de!prakinf2.PrakInf.TU-Ilmenau.DE!hekla!tom@network.ucsd.edu Subject: WPX CW 94 qsl info collection To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Hello contesters! Here are some informations about activities in wpx-cw-94. First the contribution of OM3EI, second stations listened by myself. Please help to complete the list. tnx. ------------------- CQWW WPX CW Contest ------------------- Planned contest activity: (info de Roman OM3EI @ OE3XBS.AUT.EU ) Contest call Class Operator QSL via ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4F3AAL SO20m? 4F3AAL AA7AN 6Y0DX SOAB KF9PL KF9PL 8P9GU SO DL7VOG DL7VOG A35RK or A36H SO KK6H KK6H AH0T M-S JA6VZB, JF6BCC JA6BSM C6AHY SOAB KH6M WA4WTG FO0MIZ/A SO JA1BK JA1HGY GB8SH M-S GM ops GM3ITN HB0/DA1WA M-S DA1WA DJ0LC IB0C SOAB IK0AZG IK0AZG II2M M-S IK2SGC, IK2SFZ, IK2GWH, IK2RGT, IK2OAH, IK2HDF, I2FGT,IK2SAI IK2SGC IO9T SO20m IT9TQH IT9TQH OH6T M-S OH6EI team OH0AAQ M-S OH2BCI, OH2BVF, OH2MAN, OH2NRV OH2NRV OH0MYF SO OH6YF OH0X M-S OH1MDR, OH1NOA OH1NOA OL5A M-S OK/S5 team OK1FYA OM5M M-S OM3KFF team OM3KFF PA6WPX M-S PI4COM team PA3DMH PJ8H SO K3UOC W1AF PJ8X M-S OH2LVG, VP2ML SU1KR SOAB OK2FUN OK2EC SV9/h.c. M-S HA6NY and others h.c. TU4SR SO OH8SR OH8SR YZ7A M-S YU7CDE slub station YU7JDE ZA1A M-S OK2ZW, OK2PSZ, OH1MKT direct ZD8Z SOAB N6TJ VE3HO heard stations: Call via ------------------------------------ 4K2BY KF2FT 9V1YC AA5BT C48A 9A2AJ J45X DL7MAT EA9/EA7JB EA5OL FS5PL FG5BG HV4NAC N2EDF ??? KH2GR/KH0 JF6BCC OH0X OH1NOA OH0AAQ OH2NRV OH6T OH6EI PJ8H W1AF TM2T F6KDF TU2PA KE0LS TZ6FIC F6KEQ ZA1A direct to OK2PSZ ? 4L0G 9A1A 9K2ZZ ED8OR EX8A HZ1AB IQ4A KP2H L20U L50D LY7A LZ5W LZ5Z OM3A NP2I P40W P49V RU1A S50A T9A TM9C UU5J UN5G UN2L Z30M ZX0F Please eMail your additional information to DL5ATP, planke@systemtechnik.tu-ilmenau.de You will get the completed information in reply next monday. This information will be accessable up from next week on my www-site http://server.systemtechnik.tu-ilmenau.de/hamqsl.html also. gd dx, Thomas, DL5ATP -- Thomas Planke Planke@Systemtechnik.TU-Ilmenau.DE Technical University of Ilmenau Phone: +49 3677/69-1465 ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 1994 12:52:41 -0700 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <vanwagCqLJB5.Myz@netcom.com>, <1994May30.111450.24376@cs.brown.edu>, <vanwagCqMr2B.A7D@netcom.com>ⁿ Subject : Re: 440 in So. Cal. In article <vanwagCqMr2B.A7D@netcom.com>, George Van Wagner <vanwag@netcom.com> wrote: [snip] >I have never said that I have any objection to joining a repeater group. >As a matter of fact, I belong to the KJ6TQ repeater at 446.650 that I >mention above, both for the purpose of supporting a worthwhile effort and >to have the autopatch and paging privileges. I have never had a problem >with membership charges for expanded use priveleges on a repeater. The >problem that I have is with co-ordinated pairs being used by a small >group (5 or 6 people) to the exclusion of all others. There are also a >large number of paper pairs here in So. Cal. where I have never heard any >activity whatsoever. Unfortunately, since these pairs are "coordinated" >they are not available to someone who may want to put up an open system. Well, that's not exactly true...someone could put up an uncoordinated repeater and see if there are complaints about interference with the coordinated repeater. If no such complaints arise, the uncoordinated repeater can operate with impunity. Indeed, the licensee of the uncoordin- ated repeater can then apply for coordination. Just because a freq. pair is coordinated does not automatically preclude the use of an uncoordinated repeater. It's just that if an uncoordinated repeater interferes with a coordinated one, the onus is on the uncoordinated repeater to resolve the interference (cf. FCC Part 97, para. 97.205 (c)). If, as you say, certain freq. pairs show no activity, they can and should be re-coordinated. >Oh well, I guess I still believe that old saw about the airwaves >belonging to the people. ;-) Oh, but they do! Don't let the radio.cops get you down, George! Regards, Neil (kn6vj) Neil D. Pignatano ndp@misr-fsw.jpl.nasa.gov "Plastic People, oh, baby, you're such a drag!" -Frank Zappa DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed herein are mine...JPL can get their own! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 1994 19:15:56 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!furuta@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <2s5g88$e7n@btree.brooktree.com>, <rogjdCqIMy5.Fnq@netcom.com>, <CqL07B.Ev5@news.hawaii.edu> Subject : Re: Ham Radio few problem In article <CqL07B.Ev5@news.hawaii.edu>, Jeffrey Herman <jherman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> wrote: >>Roger Bly (roger@btree.brooktree.com) wrote: >> >>: Good! Several of us in San Diego are also writing letters, petitioning, >>: jamming, etc. to shut down closed repeaters in the amateur service. > ^^^^^^^ >Ah yes, the `new blood' that will save the hobby. They practice jamming when >they don't get their way, then brag about it. What a filthy disgrace. [...] >For those who are interested, he's KA6MWT There is absolutely no justification for taking KA6MWT's outrageous statement and using it to slam the no-code license. I don't think these extreme statement do anyone any good. Since it's possible with a little research in the callsign server to figure out that Roger Bly's call is KA6MWT, it is also quite simple to notice that holders of calls in this region have been licensed for quite some time---since at least the mid-1980's. Whether or not KA6MWT is a lid has nothing at all to do with current licensing policy. It's bad enough when the arguments keep repeating over and over. It's getting destructive when they become ad hominem. --Rick KE3IV ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 18:13:31 GMT From: netcomsv!netcom.com!rogjd@decwrl.dec.com To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <vanwagCqLJB5.Myz@netcom.com>, <1994May30.111450.24376@cs.brown.edu>, <2sd8b1$kd6@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Subject : Re: 440 in So. Cal. Robb Topolski KJ6YT (topolski@kaiwan.com) wrote: : You can't appreciate the situation here until you've operated here. I : wish I had a way to scan you guys the pages of the 440 repeater "guide" : here -- very very few open systems and THEY ARE ALL PUT ON THE SAME : HALF-DOZEN PAIRS WITH DIFFERENT PL'S!!!! It's awful. We have renegades : fighting the coordinating body and I don't blame them one bit. : Half of the coordinated repeaters only exist on paper. : Don't blame any So.Cal. operator for being pissed as hell at the 440 : situation. It stinks to high heaven. : -- : ____[ Robb Topolski ]___[ San Clemente, CA ]___[ topolski@kaiwan.com ]____ : Exactly the point. You have to operate 440 in So Cal to "get it" I guess. Most of the closed/private repeaters see little or no use. Which is fine, that's the trustee/owner's prerogative. No one argues that. What is objectionable is that the coordinating body reserves the repeater pairs for a small group, thereby discouraging other potential repeater trustees from opening OPEN repeaters on 440. To validate my point, all one needs to do is contrast 2 meters to 440 in Southern California. Two meters is bursting with vitality! Many many open repeaters with good operating procedures and courtesy, AND LOTS OF FRIENDLY QSOS as the order of the day. 440? Mostly dead silence. The few open repeaters are very active; so much in fact that it difficult to get time on them. By the way, before anyone accuses me of "expecting a free lunch, embracing a welfare system, etc. etc." please be advised that I am a member of two repeater clubs and voluntarily pay a total of over $200/year to help with the cost of keeping up club repeaters. 440 in Southern California needs a new coordinating body and a new coordinating philosophy, it's as simple as that. I propose the following as a starter: "If you aren't open, you aren't coordinated." -- rogjd@netcom.com Glendale, CA AB6WR ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 1994 12:40:49 -0700 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!ccnet.com!ccnet.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <vanwagCqLJB5.Myz@netcom.com>, <CqLnv2.MAn@news.Hawaii.Edu>, <2sdamp$s35@bones.et.byu.edu> Subject : Re: 440 in So. Cal. Ed Haymore (haymoree@newt.ee.byu.edu) wrote: : Jeffrey Herman (jherman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) wrote: : | George: Why not do what hams used to do on 2, 1 1/4, and 3/4 meters before : | repeaters: Simplex. Put your construction skills to use and build your- : | self a beam antenna and have some fun. : I don't know what it's like in other parts, but here in Utah there are : only two simplex frequencies on 440... The rest of us operate simplex in the 431 - 433 part of the UHF band. You don't see simplex use in the repeater sub-bands of 2meters. Here in northern california we use 441.000 446.000 446.500 for simplex or we talk car to car on the output frequency of the repeaters we use every day. Next weekend is the VHF contest. Check out the simplex frequencies for some long distance communications. Work the guys that are in the contest, They are having a blast, you can enjoy the spirit! Bob -- Bob Wilkins work bwilkins@cave.org Berkeley, California home rwilkins@ccnet.com 94701-0710 play n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V94 #594 ******************************